turgon >o< u're soooo right.
for ex. from time to time I talk with mum & say to her that mum I'm not very
fond of christianism & I'd prefer not to have any religion at all or sth.
And she looks at me like I'm an alien or sth, saying "what are you saying,
you're too young to make such a decision ect"
except from that to see how great is the priests power in greece, before 2-3
weeks? the da-vinci code movie was out. It was to come in the local cinemas,
& suddenly all priests & the believers said that that movie was satanic
& it's about lies & it insults the chruch ect. At first I though there's
no way that the movie won't come in my town. After a day, the mayor gives out an
announcement saying: The da-vinci code movie isn't going to be in any of the
cinemas in town cause it insults the church.
And now here's the question. Is that actually a legal thing to do? To stop ppl
from watching a film, even if there are weird conceptions in it? At first this
is anti-democratic:x
Furthermore Greece was the center of christianism in the medieval times.
Byzantium was sth like a former Batican & with lots of power. Also priests
rly helped Greeks during the salvation ~1453-1821~ from Turks.So it's like most
of ppl here in Greece especially older but younger too idolise priests.
Quote by NighteyesHiya all, just
applied for the group. I'm glad there is a place I can actually be an atheist.
Declaring your atheism in Greece is kind of a pain
Quote: Also as a side note, what do
you people think about Global Warming?
The Mediterranean sea will turn into a tropical sea in several years. Scientists
found some species of fish that usually lived south of Rhodes near the Ikarian
sea. What more should I say?
Something can come out of the Treaty of Kyoto but unless the US [single largest
polluter of the world] and many other countries sign the treaty and abide by its
rules the tempreature rise will not be our only concern...
LOLZ:* hiya thar ^^
thnx for joinin the group
as for the global warming? I don't actually have any special opinion 'bout that
I just know that's bad, & ppl shouldn't do all the crap they do to the
environment... Recyclin, use of local transportations ect would be a solution,
actually not a solution but a way to stop the prob currently. As for the
consequences of global warming looots... skin cancer, endangered species,
floads, death of fish, birds, lots of species become extinct, temperature of the
planet becomes higher & higher, melting of the ice ~north-south pole~ &
lots of other>o<
As for the governments they just do nothing... ok they say recycling is good but
what can we do when in big cities each & every citizen uses car, factories
pollute water, air, soil, & ppl keep cutting all the trees to create super
environmental friendly buildings >o<
I don't know if I can help cause I don't even have any personal contact with the
ppl from my friendlist & I guess they aren't even interested in these
things:x most of them just like walling & only that
but I'll try>o<
hey maybe I'm in too^^
it depends on my exams but I'll try!
Hey can I ask sth? What sizes fro the banner? I mean not too huge and not to
small... 600x800? like a small wallie or bigger-smaller?
Quote by DevildudeThe holland party
that strives to legalize marriage and sex at 12, as well as against slaughtering
of animals (even for food).
go read it up in wikipedia. Bunch of pedophile fags.
wtf? kids nowadays aren't even capable of taking care of themselves or
sth & they are going have the right to get married? Marriage at 12? Only at
medieval times.... zomg... & btw the ppl who suggested the law aren't
propably parents right? ... it's like they make children to lose all their
rights as children... I mean...*_*
they'll be even able to do anything they want with them & not being
accused... of doing sth illegal...
~freaked out~
Quote by Shinsengumi89Snowwhite
just ignore the bigot part, your entitled to your opinion. even though i
disagree with your opinion.
Homosexxual marriage is normal in the sense that it is mosl likely a natrual
reaction,
do you think people choose to be homosexual and even if they did it really
shouldn't matter right?
For one scientistis have fopund out that penguins and other animals can be
homosexual. Theres even a couple of penguins in a zoo that are gay ( both
male).
Shinsengumi89
I know that, basically I'm not against the gay part! I know it's natural of
course even though so many ppl take it as an abnormality. What can I say, it's
just personal taste or sth. As a matter of fact, we live in a democratic sociaty
or that's what I want to believe so & if I'd said sth like gays are abnormal
or strange or sth, I may have found myself bein accussed as a racist, thing that
I totally dislike being, cause me & other girls have become victims of
racistic behaviour ourselves cause we 've bein born with the current sex.
Anyway that was an opinion though... it's not like earth would become better if
there weren't any homosexuals, or if they couldn't be married even if there
were. Maybe worse I can say, cause we couldn't have the opportunity to discuss
over this kind of matter.
It's not like I actually live in a so modern like environment, I also said that
this is my opinion & I agree with homosexuals having a relationship...
Anyway I'm against marriage generally... I just thought I could say my opinion
about this kind of matter. Plus the christianic god is against the marriage of
homosexuals... Marriage is a way for 2 ppl of different sex to be completed or
sth! Bible says so, so for the gay marriage there is actually ~no need for that~
cause the couple is of the same sex:x
It's not like I'm influenced by the religion here or sth just my opinion
though
I don't like marriage in the first place>o<, kills loves, kills lots of
other rights plus if there are childern and the relationship is not so great
among the couple there are lots of problems:x
What can I say? Sorry for being so narrowminded & traditional....
ps. Bigot? LOL now I saw it...
It's not like every view or opinion of mine is influenced by being a believer or
not... Doesn't concern u though, even if it was like that.
As for the topic is I'm for or against the gay marriage I don't actually believe
that this is a topic which concern religion alone... religion too but that it's
a social matter:x
Quote by tobiast88]
Hello, bigot. It's been proven that children having same-sex parents have
perfectly normal social and personal lives. Your argument is thererfore invalid,
and tainted by your opinion that such a union is "abnormal".
At least you concede that if these unions don't involve others, they are
permissible, which redeems you somewhat.
There is no logical reason for banning
gay marriage: there's only moronic traditions enforced by an even more moronic
religion.
Actually I'm not banning gay marriage, but personally I don't approve it! I mean
yeah kids living with gay parents or so may have a normal life but if I lived in
a family with gay parents I would propably have problems myself, I think so now
of course by living in a normal family. Look I maybe have a little not too
modern views & conceptions but I'm what I am:x
& it's not like I've gay friends or sth to say that I know them well &
can judge them right... My opinion is sth influnced by my environment:x So this
may change if I actually meet such ppl in the future, but right now this kind of
opinion comes from my current experience^^
Every & each different views & points are welcome
Quote by Devildudemerged: 06-04-2006 ~ 07:08pm
ok... after reading the links and all that, for a short period of time I was
gonna sum something up...
and then this:
I'm barely able to catch up with your discussion! Am I dumb or
sth? I find it rly rly hard to... I don't knowXD I mean it's
levels above my level & in english omg ;_; Now I feel sad for not
being from England or America *_*
Anywayyy as for the marriage of gay couples... I mean this kind of topic is sooo
familiar... Personally I do approve gay ppl having an affair or so, like a
straight couple has, but actually I'm against the marriage thing>o<
My poing of view is that ppl marry cause they want to have a family u know, with
kids ect. and that's the main difference between an un-married & a married
couple ~childern~
So I can't believe that a kid can grow up normally in an environment with two
mothers or two farthers so sth. It's totally abnormal! Not only the child is
going to have lots of problems with his/her social life but with the personal
life too!
But if a gay couple rly want to get married for the title ~married~ what can I
say, go ahead, as long as it doesn't envovle in it other ppl lives
Quote by Devildudehmm, nice pointers,
but it aint helping me much. Thanks anyway.
maybe you guys could make a know on how you guys started getting into
atheism?
anytime:x but actually the things I've said kinda sound like irrelevant to your
answer:x sorry "
anywayz I'm from a christian family I mean here in my country almost everyone is
christian! and especially in my town where there isn't lots of ppl believing sth
else, having another religion or so! My dad kinda don't like the things that the
priests here say or do! I think that he is right cause the only thing they want
to have is more and more and more wealth, they don't even care about the
believers, he just thinks that one of the most great religions ever was the one
the ancient Greek believed, he got a point actually cause the were more human
like, they had passions, problems, they were fighting like ppl do! Humans &
gods were contected and that religion lead ppl to find the prefecture, beauty
was the right think, the one god approved! On the other hand christians believe
in a god who is not connected with the ppl at all, he is just perfect, and let
the thing that all the saints are so old & skinny & ugly should I say?
So in the end should we try to become sth like that? Sth that doesn't fulfill us
in the first place?
Daddy isn't an atheist but he actually has some strange points & opions so
when he discusses this kind of things with the other they look him as if he is
an alien or sth!
About me now:x except from the insiration dad gave me, suddenly I've found my
self asking lots of questions and especially my theologist in school. But
unfortunately very few had direct answers! It was complicated for me in a way
cause like a teenage I rly like asking and not accepting things without a doubt.
So last summer I've started liking science & especially physiks not as a
subject ~so boring~ but as something that is all around as & it's so
perfect. Stephen Hawking, Einstein and lots lots of other scientists came to me
as the answer of all the questions. I do believe that belief in science is far
more creative than belief in religion. So at times like this I wondered do I rly
believe in god? Surely not, but if suddenly scientists become saints, I may
believe actually!
that's a part of my story*_* glad to hear about yours too
Quote by Devildudeit was possible, at
the time, due to the circumstances, it is highly improbable for families to
trace their offsprings whereabouts, many children were lost during the times of
chaos, not surprising, if it was possible, Jesus could possible be a human from
some other family, adopted or otherwise.
I have a question, could anyone please review this with me and help me with any
points that I can further elaborate to help my side of the argument?
heyy nice talk btw^^ rly interested in your point of view actually but I rly
want to ask sth, y do you talk with these ppl, not only about this but any other
subjects? I mean they are sooo narrowminded ~if there is even a word like
thatXD~ they even believe what the bible says literally! For god's sake for one
moment I thought that you were talking to ppl from the medieval times or sth!
& let me tell you one other thing, the thing the bible says is sth like the
fairytales! for ex. when ppl couldn't actually understand what the thunder or
rain was they immediately desided to create the god of thunder and the god of
rain or sth! So the god, bible is talking about is sth like that! Ppl couldn't
understand how the hell someone can make the world and the universe so they
created a god doing this kind of job! My opinion is that Jesus is sth like the
gods of greek or chinese history! These ppl don't even know what the word proof
means! & actually there is a liiiittle point where religion & sience can
agree! Think that if we don't take what bible says literally, we could conclude:
What if adam & eva weren't actually humans?
What if the were just human like?
What if they were actually appes?
and finally what if creation was a primitive version of the modern
evolution?
wish I helped you with some points^^
great conversation btwXD
Quote by blackchiiwell well well, i'm
surprised there's a group like this in MT.. a good place for an atheist like me
to share a thought. i believe 'fate' is for us to decide.. not this fictional
gods
Quote by Devildude
by the way, who here agrees with me that Jesus was a man-made fictionious
character or a scapegoat?
well, i'm one of them
XD definately! can't also believe that Mary became pregnant without actually
havin an affair & by the holly spirit or sth...
propably she had been envolved with someone, she became pregnant & she said
to her parents "mammy, daddy god made me be pregnant, I'm still a
virgin" and they believed her>o<
hey thar^^
I guess u need some support right?^^ I can help u I think so:x even if I don't
fav any idea of these things;_;
I just thought that your group was kinda fun.. I do have a serious crush on
someone for a loong timeXD
so guess what? New member^^
if crush means what I think it means ;_; sorry if it means sth else I'm stupid a
little bit
hey ya thar:x
came by to say hi^^
glad to hear that there is actually a group here where ppl can talk about these
things>o<
here ppl think that I'm a little bit crazy for not actually believing in god or
his existence:x
Although I'm not a strong atheist, I'm surely an atheistXD
new member here btw >o<
~waves~
hi hi hi hi guys... molis gurisa apo trihmero eno eseis na upotheso pizete me
eksetastikh?? ha! ~happy~:P
j/k.... ti gineteeee???? bariemai... xthes efaga kai sthn mapa kati strofes....
~phga somewhere near karpenhsi...~ holly shitu!
tsp ja neeeee
Quote by ShueiTenshiShoujo den 8a pei
girlie anime typu sailor moon
Shoujo simenei oti proorizete kirios pros to ginekeio fyllo:
Andrikoi main ke sub-main xarakthres, little fanservice etc (eg FMA,
Bleach...)
eprepe na grapseis apo pano ~o sensei didaskei auth thn stigmh:P~
yeap auto ginete eukola understood ma to fma shoujo ree??? to naruto pantos
einai shonen?? ma afou exei ton sasuke pou ola ta girlies ton exoun idolised...
~sasuke suckz 6666~
holly shitu:P ti akouo kammena thingies... fma shoujo??? LOL? \m/??? lawl?
:p:p:p:p:p piouuuuuuuu! k...
kala leei h bakaonigiri chan... to ccs kai allasxetika ti einai?:S
Quote by snowhitehello hello:P:P:P
thnx for the warm welcome??!!!
what's up guys??
~sorry ma den ftaio ego pou egina melos ma o Nighteyes/Turgon h opos ton lete
anyways, to katagelno>.<~
Take care all of ya:*
Lypasai poy se synesthse o trismegistos High King of Noldor kai to les kai
dhmosia; Shine
hello hello:P:P:P
thnx for the warm welcome??!!!
what's up guys??
~sorry ma den ftaio ego pou egina melos ma o Nighteyes/Turgon h opos ton lete
anyways, to katagelno>.<~
Take care all of ya:*
turgon >o< u're soooo right.
for ex. from time to time I talk with mum & say to her that mum I'm not very fond of christianism & I'd prefer not to have any religion at all or sth. And she looks at me like I'm an alien or sth, saying "what are you saying, you're too young to make such a decision ect"
except from that to see how great is the priests power in greece, before 2-3 weeks? the da-vinci code movie was out. It was to come in the local cinemas, & suddenly all priests & the believers said that that movie was satanic & it's about lies & it insults the chruch ect. At first I though there's no way that the movie won't come in my town. After a day, the mayor gives out an announcement saying: The da-vinci code movie isn't going to be in any of the cinemas in town cause it insults the church.
And now here's the question. Is that actually a legal thing to do? To stop ppl from watching a film, even if there are weird conceptions in it? At first this is anti-democratic:x
Furthermore Greece was the center of christianism in the medieval times. Byzantium was sth like a former Batican & with lots of power. Also priests rly helped Greeks during the salvation ~1453-1821~ from Turks.So it's like most of ppl here in Greece especially older but younger too idolise priests.
the situation is actually rly bad here>o<
LOLZ:* hiya thar ^^
thnx for joinin the group
as for the global warming? I don't actually have any special opinion 'bout that I just know that's bad, & ppl shouldn't do all the crap they do to the environment... Recyclin, use of local transportations ect would be a solution, actually not a solution but a way to stop the prob currently. As for the consequences of global warming looots... skin cancer, endangered species, floads, death of fish, birds, lots of species become extinct, temperature of the planet becomes higher & higher, melting of the ice ~north-south pole~ & lots of other>o<
As for the governments they just do nothing... ok they say recycling is good but what can we do when in big cities each & every citizen uses car, factories pollute water, air, soil, & ppl keep cutting all the trees to create super environmental friendly buildings >o<
I don't know if I can help cause I don't even have any personal contact with the ppl from my friendlist & I guess they aren't even interested in these things:x most of them just like walling & only that
but I'll try>o<
hey maybe I'm in too^^
it depends on my exams but I'll try!
Hey can I ask sth? What sizes fro the banner? I mean not too huge and not to small... 600x800? like a small wallie or bigger-smaller?
yeah propably
" especially if they end up divorcing or sth! anywayz 
at first I thought it meant being in love with someone or sth but not I don't know*_* for sure
wtf?
kids nowadays aren't even capable of taking care of themselves or
sth & they are going have the right to get married? Marriage at 12? Only at
medieval times.... zomg... & btw the ppl who suggested the law aren't
propably parents right? ... it's like they make children to lose all their
rights as children... I mean...*_*
they'll be even able to do anything they want with them & not being accused... of doing sth illegal...
~freaked out~
I know that, basically I'm not against the gay part! I know it's natural of course even though so many ppl take it as an abnormality. What can I say, it's just personal taste or sth. As a matter of fact, we live in a democratic sociaty or that's what I want to believe so & if I'd said sth like gays are abnormal or strange or sth, I may have found myself bein accussed as a racist, thing that I totally dislike being, cause me & other girls have become victims of racistic behaviour ourselves cause we 've bein born with the current sex.
Anyway that was an opinion though... it's not like earth would become better if there weren't any homosexuals, or if they couldn't be married even if there were. Maybe worse I can say, cause we couldn't have the opportunity to discuss over this kind of matter.
It's not like I actually live in a so modern like environment, I also said that this is my opinion & I agree with homosexuals having a relationship... Anyway I'm against marriage generally... I just thought I could say my opinion about this kind of matter. Plus the christianic god is against the marriage of homosexuals... Marriage is a way for 2 ppl of different sex to be completed or sth! Bible says so, so for the gay marriage there is actually ~no need for that~ cause the couple is of the same sex:x
It's not like I'm influenced by the religion here or sth just my opinion though
I don't like marriage in the first place>o<, kills loves, kills lots of other rights plus if there are childern and the relationship is not so great among the couple there are lots of problems:x
What can I say? Sorry for being so narrowminded & traditional....
ps. Bigot? LOL now I saw it...
It's not like every view or opinion of mine is influenced by being a believer or not... Doesn't concern u though, even if it was like that.
As for the topic is I'm for or against the gay marriage I don't actually believe that this is a topic which concern religion alone... religion too but that it's a social matter:x
Actually I'm not banning gay marriage, but personally I don't approve it! I mean yeah kids living with gay parents or so may have a normal life but if I lived in a family with gay parents I would propably have problems myself, I think so now of course by living in a normal family. Look I maybe have a little not too modern views & conceptions but I'm what I am:x
& it's not like I've gay friends or sth to say that I know them well & can judge them right... My opinion is sth influnced by my environment:x So this may change if I actually meet such ppl in the future, but right now this kind of opinion comes from my current experience^^
Every & each different views & points are welcome
levels above my level & in english omg ;_; Now I feel sad for not
being from England or America *_*
Anywayyy as for the marriage of gay couples... I mean this kind of topic is sooo familiar... Personally I do approve gay ppl having an affair or so, like a straight couple has, but actually I'm against the marriage thing>o<
My poing of view is that ppl marry cause they want to have a family u know, with kids ect. and that's the main difference between an un-married & a married couple ~childern~
So I can't believe that a kid can grow up normally in an environment with two mothers or two farthers so sth. It's totally abnormal! Not only the child is going to have lots of problems with his/her social life but with the personal life too!
But if a gay couple rly want to get married for the title ~married~ what can I say, go ahead, as long as it doesn't envovle in it other ppl lives
anytime:x but actually the things I've said kinda sound like irrelevant to your answer:x sorry
"
anywayz I'm from a christian family I mean here in my country almost everyone is christian! and especially in my town where there isn't lots of ppl believing sth else, having another religion or so! My dad kinda don't like the things that the priests here say or do! I think that he is right cause the only thing they want to have is more and more and more wealth, they don't even care about the believers, he just thinks that one of the most great religions ever was the one the ancient Greek believed, he got a point actually cause the were more human like, they had passions, problems, they were fighting like ppl do! Humans & gods were contected and that religion lead ppl to find the prefecture, beauty was the right think, the one god approved! On the other hand christians believe in a god who is not connected with the ppl at all, he is just perfect, and let the thing that all the saints are so old & skinny & ugly should I say? So in the end should we try to become sth like that? Sth that doesn't fulfill us in the first place?
Daddy isn't an atheist but he actually has some strange points & opions so when he discusses this kind of things with the other they look him as if he is an alien or sth!
About me now:x except from the insiration dad gave me, suddenly I've found my self asking lots of questions and especially my theologist in school. But unfortunately very few had direct answers! It was complicated for me in a way cause like a teenage I rly like asking and not accepting things without a doubt. So last summer I've started liking science & especially physiks not as a subject ~so boring~ but as something that is all around as & it's so perfect. Stephen Hawking, Einstein and lots lots of other scientists came to me as the answer of all the questions. I do believe that belief in science is far more creative than belief in religion. So at times like this I wondered do I rly believe in god? Surely not, but if suddenly scientists become saints, I may believe actually!
that's a part of my story*_* glad to hear about yours too
heyy nice talk btw^^ rly interested in your point of view actually but I rly want to ask sth, y do you talk with these ppl, not only about this but any other subjects? I mean they are sooo narrowminded ~if there is even a word like thatXD~ they even believe what the bible says literally! For god's sake for one moment I thought that you were talking to ppl from the medieval times or sth! & let me tell you one other thing, the thing the bible says is sth like the fairytales! for ex. when ppl couldn't actually understand what the thunder or rain was they immediately desided to create the god of thunder and the god of rain or sth! So the god, bible is talking about is sth like that! Ppl couldn't understand how the hell someone can make the world and the universe so they created a god doing this kind of job! My opinion is that Jesus is sth like the gods of greek or chinese history! These ppl don't even know what the word proof means! & actually there is a liiiittle point where religion & sience can agree! Think that if we don't take what bible says literally, we could conclude: What if adam & eva weren't actually humans?
What if the were just human like?
What if they were actually appes?
and finally what if creation was a primitive version of the modern evolution?
wish I helped you with some points^^
great conversation btwXD
XD definately! can't also believe that Mary became pregnant without actually havin an affair & by the holly spirit or sth...
propably she had been envolved with someone, she became pregnant & she said to her parents "mammy, daddy god made me be pregnant, I'm still a virgin" and they believed her>o<
hey thar^^
I guess u need some support right?^^ I can help u I think so:x even if I don't fav any idea of these things;_;
I just thought that your group was kinda fun.. I do have a serious crush on someone for a loong timeXD
so guess what? New member^^
if crush means what I think it means ;_; sorry if it means sth else I'm stupid a little bit
hey ya thar:x
came by to say hi^^
glad to hear that there is actually a group here where ppl can talk about these things>o<
here ppl think that I'm a little bit crazy for not actually believing in god or his existence:x
Although I'm not a strong atheist, I'm surely an atheistXD
new member here btw >o<
~waves~
hello^^
new member guess
hope you're fine:)
~waves~
*_* long time no see... btwwww new wallie here? :P
cute but ecchiii:P kkk
what's up? here me is boreeeeed readin all the time *_*
cu cu *_*
hi hi hi hi guys... molis gurisa apo trihmero eno eseis na upotheso pizete me eksetastikh?? ha! ~happy~:P
j/k.... ti gineteeee???? bariemai... xthes efaga kai sthn mapa kati strofes.... ~phga somewhere near karpenhsi...~ holly shitu!
tsp ja neeeee
eprepe na grapseis apo pano ~o sensei didaskei auth thn stigmh:P~
yeap auto ginete eukola understood ma to fma shoujo ree??? to naruto pantos einai shonen?? ma afou exei ton sasuke pou ola ta girlies ton exoun idolised... ~sasuke suckz 6666~
holly shitu:P ti akouo kammena thingies... fma shoujo??? LOL? \m/??? lawl? :p:p:p:p:p piouuuuuuuu! k...
kala leei h bakaonigiri chan... to ccs kai allasxetika ti einai?:S
eiste kammenoi>.< .- ~oxi den einai koplimento:P~
se poio katasthma se poulane?:P
hello hello:P:P:P
thnx for the warm welcome??!!!
what's up guys??
~sorry ma den ftaio ego pou egina melos ma o Nighteyes/Turgon h opos ton lete anyways, to katagelno>.<~
Take care all of ya:*